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In Vancouver, renting is a better option than buying

Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:47 pm

(From the Vancouver Sun)

Re: Cam Good's The new real estate protectionism is misguided, April 20

Joe Average Vancouverite drives home at the end of a long day. He fills the tank of the family cruiser at $1.40/litre and buys a few essential groceries, and he feels the pain of crushing price escalations just about everywhere he turns. He hears the cost of electricity is set to rise, and he knows he'll shudder again when he sees the bill at the local steak house that evening.

Joe Average Vancouverite is maxed out. Yet the pressure to buy a home is stronger than ever. He switches on the TV or flips open the paper and sees stories of Asians descending on spots such as Richmond and White Rock. By helicopters they purportedly arrive, untold wealth at the ready to sink into what the real estate industry would have us believe is not rainy old Vancouver, but the New Global Hot Spot. "Buy now or be priced out forever," is the unrelenting mantra. "Real estate is the best investment you can make," shouts the loudest voice of all, local condo marketer Cam Good, who then questions the very manhood of those who don't buy by claiming they suffer "real estate impotence."

And Joe Average Vancouverite, wife begging him to get in the market before it's too late and all is lost, picks up the phone and calls a real estate agent, knowing full well that one million dollars will buy him nothing more than a decrepit shack in a hideous neighbourhood. Joe knows he'll be indebted for the rest of his natural life, but real estate prices always go up, right? Right?

Wrong. Dead wrong. In Scottsdale, Ariz., a palatial home in a stunning setting currently runs one quarter the price of Joe's crack shack. In the Okanagan, where valuations are off 25 per cent from their 2008 highs, lakeview beauties priced sub-$450,000 languish on the market for months at a time. In Chilliwack, where you can buy a brand new view house for less than $350,000, and more recently in Abbotsford, listings have exploded and price reductions are commonplace, yet few are buying. In British Columbia's's north, in Squamish and Whistler, and on Vancouver Island, real estate is not doing well.

So what's really happening here? Yes, in certain, select areas of Greater Vancouver, crazed bidding wars still exist, and yes, people of Chinese descent do seem to be at least partly responsible. But Good, the fellow who flew three or four potential Chinese buyers over his condo project in White Rock as a media stunt, would have us believe all of China is on its way and that we should accept our new Chinese overlords. Indeed, if anyone is driving a racist groundswell, it is Good himself. But that's another story.

The truth is that the few wealthy Chinese who opt for Vancouver rather than any other city in the world where housing is generally far more affordable, cannot save this country from the real estate devaluation that's already begun. Why? Because bubbles always deflate from the outside in. And, just like the U.S. circa-2005, even while the real estate industry is cheerleading in Good-like fashion, we are most assuredly at the beginning of the end of the most dramatic housing bubble of all time. No bubble in time immemorial has ever remained inflated, and the cracks we're now seeing even in adjoining municipalities such as Langley and Coquitlam serve as stark reminders.

So why do real estate agents continue to advocate the opposite? Because real estate agents are just that - real estate agents. They are salespeople. They make money when you buy or sell a home using their services. They are not financial advisers. They possess no great knowledge, they do not have access to either a crystal ball or reams of facts and figures that are inaccessible to the average person, and they will not be there three years from now when your financial burden is slowly killing you. But their overtly rosy picture, unfortunately, dominates media headlines.

Here are the facts: On average, it currently costs Vancouver homeowners 70 per cent of their income to service household debt. Canadians owe roughly $1.50 for every $1 of disposable income they possess. In Vancouver, a home will cost you approximately 10 times your annual income, a figure that far exceeds that of the U.S. when it crashed and burned, and the obvious reason Vancouver housing is now rated as the third most unaffordable in the world.

Indeed, the bubble would have burst in 2008 had emergency interest rates not been instituted. Note that it had already declined multiple percentage points when those rates were activated. Yet even lax mortgage restrictions and rock-bottom rates can't save us now. Forty-year and 35-year mortgages are already history, rates have jumped several times in the last year and are set to continue. The governor of the Bank of Canada has repeatedly warned Canadians to stop assuming debt, and now the media are waking up to the realities. Several national publications in the last two weeks alone warn that buying is a mistake and even go so far as to promote the concept of renting over purchasing.

We, as a people, are out of money. And adding to your already onerous credit burdens is not an option, especially when housing price declines are all but assured. And we haven't even factored property taxes, closing costs, repairs, and renos into the equation. The top of any bubble is fuelled by unreasonable mania, and that's precisely where we are now. Don't let calls of "impotence" persuade you to do something your gut has told you is wrong. And remember that one word you won't hear from any real estate agent: Rent.

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Re: In Vancouver, renting is a better option than buying

Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:56 pm

Sour grapes! :mrgreen:
 
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Re: In Vancouver, renting is a better option than buying

Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:57 pm

renting is a bear trap
Even if your rent is free it lulls you into a false sense of security
the cure for higher prices is moving to a destination with lower prices
 
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Re: In Vancouver, renting is a better option than buying

Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:32 pm

This picture of Vancouver real estate always makes me laugh. The writer refers to the fact that you can't buy a house for less than $1,000,000 in Vancouver and somehow this affects first time buyers. First time buyers do not buy detached Vancouver houses. They buy starter homes and a detached Vancouver house is not a starter home. He then goes on to talk about how Chilliwack, Langley, Coquitlam and Abbottsford are seeing huge price drops. So let the 1st time buyer buy in those areas and buy a condo or townhouse and not a sfh.
 
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Re: In Vancouver, renting is a better option than buying

Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:32 pm

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Re: In Vancouver, renting is a better option than buying

Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:35 pm

The listings were also down as well
 
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Re: In Vancouver, renting is a better option than buying

Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:38 pm

renting is a bear trap
Even if your rent is free it lulls you into a false sense of security
While is theory this is wrong, the reality is that most people are essentially very bad at making smart choices. It's for this reason that
many people are better off buying something overpriced rather then renting and saving. Why? Most people either cannot save or do
not know how to save correctly.

I don't know about rent free though. I think any time you can live rent free that's a good deal, just so long as the person is prepared for the days
when rent may have a price.
 
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Re: In Vancouver, renting is a better option than buying

Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:38 am

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Re: In Vancouver, renting is a better option than buying

Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:33 am

renting is a bear trap
Even if your rent is free it lulls you into a false sense of security
While is theory this is wrong, the reality is that most people are essentially very bad at making smart choices. It's for this reason that
many people are better off buying something overpriced rather then renting and saving. Why? Most people either cannot save or do
not know how to save correctly.

I don't know about rent free though. I think any time you can live rent free that's a good deal, just so long as the person is prepared for the days
when rent may have a price.
that's not my point marco.
if I had chosen to keep renting these two years since I purchased (and my rent was free) I would have saved myself about $24,000. But I would have missed out on the $400,000 in equity gained on my home.
Like I said, rent is a bear trap even if you can live for free.
the cure for higher prices is moving to a destination with lower prices
 
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Re: In Vancouver, renting is a better option than buying

Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:10 am

there's that word i love again "equity"

saving is about as good as putting $100 a month in an RRSP and expecting it to be 1 million by the time you retire.

that's another financial product scam. RRSP's are pretty much useless as a savings account
 
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Re: In Vancouver, renting is a better option than buying

Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:41 am

there's that word i love again "equity"

saving is about as good as putting $100 a month in an RRSP and expecting it to be 1 million by the time you retire.

that's another financial product scam. RRSP's are pretty much useless as a savings account
equity is "wealth" instigator - do you love that word too?

I'm with you on the RRSP idea though - it's not a tax savings, just tax deferral.
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Re: In Vancouver, renting is a better option than buying

Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:46 am

let's make a fictional scenario that much more disciplined than your average canadian retiree.

say you saved $500 a month for 50 years. that's 600 months

if you could even do that.

600 months x $500 = $300 000.

so after saving for 50 years you've made more in vancouver real estate in less than 10 years.

not only that, in the end, you have a home that pays dividends.

try to rent our your RRSP LOL.

if you chose to sell, you'd be a millionaire because your home is paid off.
 
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Re: In Vancouver, renting is a better option than buying

Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:57 am

try to rent our your RRSP
What do you think people are doing when they buy a stock or a bond?
 
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Re: In Vancouver, renting is a better option than buying

Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:12 am

Instigator, in your scenario, is this saver stuffing the money under their mattress?
 
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Re: In Vancouver, renting is a better option than buying

Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:23 am

Instigator, in your scenario, is this saver stuffing the money under their mattress?
no they are putting in an RRSP. which is not much better than a savings account.
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