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tdma800
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Re: New affordable housing policies for the young

Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:36 pm

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.4043396

" Millennials 2.0: Young families feel the squeeze in Vancouver's housing market"


Shannon Grochowski and her family of five has struggled for years to find a place that fits their constantly changing needs. 
The Grochowski family currently rents an older brick home in Langley that works, but it's been a struggle to get there. 
"I think this is about our fourth home in the past six years just because our family grew," said Grochowski, who gave birth to their newest addition, Margaret, on Mar. 20.

WHY THE FCUK are they having 3 kids when they are renting, they can't afford a larger place but they have more kids??? So its up to the government to create more affordable housing.

sometimes I think people are taking crazy pills.

Freedom of religion, speech and will. You have the security of not being shot / blown up or robbed. Very forward thinking in terms of  racism, sexism and equality.

Canada has all of the things you need to be successful. I don't understand why the population needs to make sure there is affordable housing for the "Grochowski's"
To sum  it up that means in Canada even though any person with the right to permanent residence or citizenship already can get free money monthly if they so need it and among some sectors people think they are entitled to have discount housing in the best areas. LOl
 
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Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:39 pm


Canada has all of the things you need to be successful. I don't understand why the population needs to make sure there is affordable housing for the "Grochowski's"
Perhaps, you are a new resident of Canada?
Canada is different from the States. Here, there is a greater sense of collective responsibility. A perceived need for the virtue of equality and equity. Something, I suppose, of small town sensibility. By the way, do you know who Tommy Douglas is? Don't bother to check the internet. You will either know or not.
LOL cute, sounds like you dint make it past high school.
Equality and equity, what that refers to is equality of race, speech, and sexism. Tommy Douglas advocated universal health care, because everyone needs health care to live a healthy life.
The right to affordable housing IS NOT part of equality. That's socialism and communism. You sound like you are from China.
 
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Re: New affordable housing policies for the young

Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:43 pm


Canada has all of the things you need to be successful. I don't understand why the population needs to make sure there is affordable housing for the "Grochowski's"
Perhaps, you are a new resident of Canada?
Canada is different from the States. Here, there is a greater sense of collective responsibility. A perceived need for the virtue of equality and equity. Something, I suppose, of small town sensibility. By the way, do you know who Tommy Douglas is? Don't bother to check the internet. You will either know or not.
LOL cute, sounds like you dint make it past high school.
Equality and equity, what that refers to is equality of race, speech, and sexism. Tommy Douglas advocated universal health care, because everyone needs health care to live a healthy life.
The right to affordable housing IS NOT part of equality. That's socialism and communism. You sound like you are from China.
the unclean little secret about the so called ' equal' canadian system is that hockey players, and just about anyone else that gets injured in an industrial accident( worksafe bc claims) at work gets rapid medical care, while everyone else has to wait. anyone that can afford faster care must spend (its legal) their money in the US, meaning that money leaves the country, rather than contribute toward the canadian system.
 
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Re: New affordable housing policies for the young

Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:49 pm

A lot of other homeless should be in shelters or facilities that can support their addictions and mental disorders, which should be the province.  However, moonbeam makes bold proclamations to end homelessness, knowing full well he can't really end homelessness, its just a big show to get votes...Now he's on to the next thing, which is affordability and housing, which again will need the support of the province.  The city is also sitting on a lot of land that is undeveloped and should be used for social housing, why aren't they developing those properties instead of spending 100's of millions on bike lanes?  
The city doesn't spent 100's millions on bike lanes. Get your facts straight.
Ending homelessness is a goal. Not helped by recent events and Christy Clark.
How about some numbers?

2015/16 BC revenues of $47b; $10k per resident. The 2017 budget for CoV is $1.8b in expenditure (operating and capital); just $3k per resident.

Let me suggest that metro Vancouver should take the bulk of the PST and take charge of education, housing and transit. That will get things done.

Let me remind Van Lord that it is Christy Clark that had a drag down fight with the Teachers Federation and LOST.
Metro Vancouver can't even build a decent road and with 23 municipalities, nothing will ever get done, they will all be fighting amongst themselves if you put them in charge of anything under the provincial mandate.  I already said I don't like Christy Clark (well that she is super corrupt), but the alternative is way worse.
Here are some numbers I dug up, this is for most of the projects that are already done, not including all the new projects on the plans, its hard to find all the numbers and noone seems to have added it all up, I know I forgot quite a few bike lane projects, but my list is already at 75M..., which doesn't include all the lost parking revenue.  Then if you start adding in other projects that Vision is moving forward with that aren't bike specific like the viaducts and this city has dumped way to much money into road projects designed to make it harder and harder to get around the city, unless you are able bodied enough to pedal your way around.  Some of that money could have went along ways toward the moonbeams proclamation that he was going to end homelessness by 2015,  but it pretty clear they are spending 100s of Millions on Bike Lanes, and in many cases they have to re-do what was already done, because it was done half-assed the first time.

Burrard Bike Lane Trials – 1.5m

Original Burrard bike Lane – 12M?  Couldn’t find this one, but I think that’s what it cost
Burrard South 2013 upgrages – 6M
Burrard Bridge upgrades -58M (23M Sewer) – 35m to the burrard bridge – my guess at least 25M of that is directly attributable to bike lanes
Hornby Bike Lane -3.5M – 158 paid parking stall lost
Dunsmuir Bike lane
Comox Helmcken – 5.5M
Helmcken Expansion – 3M
Smythe – 1m
Point Grey Phase 1 -6M
Point Grey Phase 2 – 6.4M
 
Bike Sharing – 5M – plus all the years of wasted time and money must be a few million (City originally agreed to 6M bike share with company that went out of business) 
 
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Re: New affordable housing policies for the young

Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:52 pm

 ^-----ladies and gents, we have someone thats car entitled lol
 
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Re: New affordable housing policies for the young

Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:07 pm

Here are some numbers I dug up, this is for most of the projects that are already done, not including all the new projects on the plans, its hard to find all the numbers and noone seems to have added it all up, I know I forgot quite a few bike lane projects, but my list is already at 75M...,
Right. Like I said, Vancouver doesn't spend 100s of millions. Neither does metro.  :!:
 
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Re: New affordable housing policies for the young

Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:15 pm

it adds up to 100
 
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Re: New affordable housing policies for the young

Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:22 pm

Here are some numbers I dug up, this is for most of the projects that are already done, not including all the new projects on the plans, its hard to find all the numbers and noone seems to have added it all up, I know I forgot quite a few bike lane projects, but my list is already at 75M...,
Right. Like I said, Vancouver doesn't spend 100s of millions. Neither does metro.  :!:
I just proved they do, I guess you didn't read the post.
 
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Re: New affordable housing policies for the young

Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:41 pm

Here are some numbers I dug up, this is for most of the projects that are already done, not including all the new projects on the plans, its hard to find all the numbers and noone seems to have added it all up, I know I forgot quite a few bike lane projects, but my list is already at 75M...,
Right. Like I said, Vancouver doesn't spend 100s of millions. Neither does metro.  :!:
I just proved they do, I guess you didn't read the post.
Obviously, I did. I quoted you up to the "75M" part.
I would strongly suggest that you focus on the new Vancouver housing strategy. Sounds interesting. Hope that the NDP can pick up the ball and run with it
 
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Re: New affordable housing policies for the young

Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:45 pm

Right. Like I said, Vancouver doesn't spend 100s of millions. Neither does metro.  :!:
I just proved they do, I guess you didn't read the post.
Obviously, I did. I quoted you up to the "75M" part.
I would strongly suggest that you focus on the new Vancouver housing strategy. Sounds interesting. Hope that the NDP can pick up the ball and run with it
the vancouver reset strategy is fun. great way to make things cheaper by limiting supply - NOT! lol
 
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Re: New affordable housing policies for the young

Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:08 pm

Right. Like I said, Vancouver doesn't spend 100s of millions. Neither does metro.  :!:
I just proved they do, I guess you didn't read the post.
Obviously, I did. I quoted you up to the "75M" part.
I would strongly suggest that you focus on the new Vancouver housing strategy. Sounds interesting. Hope that the NDP can pick up the ball and run with it
like I said you didn't read the post, I missed a lot , like all the Seawall changes and that I didn't include the 12 new approved projects, which if each project avg'd 5 Million, we are now sitting at over 125M...done.
As for the Strategy, I've already argued my point on that and have nothing more to say, I guess you didn't read those posts either.  Moonbeam is using this new strategy as an election ploy for the next civic election which is just around the corner now.  It will be hollow just like all his other promises like ending homelessness by 2015.  Meanwhile he will quietly approve all his developer friends big projects, which I'm sure nets him some nice perks along the way.
 
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Re: New affordable housing policies for the young

Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:13 pm

LOL cute, sounds like you dint make it past high school.
Equality and equity, what that refers to is equality of race, speech, and sexism. Tommy Douglas advocated universal health care, because everyone needs health care to live a healthy life.
The right to affordable housing IS NOT part of equality. That's socialism and communism. You sound like you are from China.
I am not from China. Nor am I a communist or socialist. 

There is equality before the law; in the justice system and for access to education. Then, there is the cultural empathy of equity. 

That people deserve a fair break. Everyone should be treated as individuals. That birth circumstances don't matter. We are brothers and sisters. This is a Christian impulse that long predates Karl Marx.

I like Canadians (most of them) because of this sense of collective responsibility. Do what you can for the hungry and homeless. 

I respect Trudeau for allowing the rush of (screened) refugees into Canada. And, the generosity of main street Canadians towards the refugees.

Tommy Douglas' initiative is extraordinary. A bold leap ahead of the rest of the continent, coming from of all places the prairies. His moment represents the best of the Canadian spirit. Yes, we can.

No. housing is not a human right. Yes, we can take note of the plight of the working poor (renters). Yes, we must find solutions to IMPROVE the situation.
Suggest you pay attention to Vancouver's new housing strategy. Sounds like Vision Vancouver is contemplating the possibility of offending the NIMBY, and risking all. I rather hope that the NDP can jump on the bandwagon. Perhaps, I will vote for them for the first time(?)
 
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Re: New affordable housing policies for the young

Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:14 pm


I just proved they do, I guess you didn't read the post.
Obviously, I did. I quoted you up to the "75M" part.
I would strongly suggest that you focus on the new Vancouver housing strategy. Sounds interesting. Hope that the NDP can pick up the ball and run with it
like I said you didn't read the post, I missed a lot , like all the Seawall changes and that I didn't include the 12 new approved projects, which if each project avg'd 5 Million, we are now sitting at over 125M...done.
As for the Strategy, I've already argued my point on that and have nothing more to say, I guess you didn't read those posts either.  Moonbeam is using this new strategy as an election ploy for the next civic election which is just around the corner now.  It will be hollow just like all his other promises like ending homelessness by 2015.  Meanwhile he will quietly approve all his developer friends big projects, which I'm sure nets him some nice perks along the way.
12 projects is not a small amount
 
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Re: New affordable housing policies for the young

Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:15 pm

LOL cute, sounds like you dint make it past high school.
Equality and equity, what that refers to is equality of race, speech, and sexism. Tommy Douglas advocated universal health care, because everyone needs health care to live a healthy life.
The right to affordable housing IS NOT part of equality. That's socialism and communism. You sound like you are from China.
I am not from China. Nor am I a communist or socialist. 

There is equality before the law; in the justice system and for access to education. Then, there is the cultural empathy of equity. 

That people deserve a fair break. Everyone should be treated as individuals. That birth circumstances don't matter. We are brothers and sisters. This is a Christian impulse that long predates Karl Marx.

I like Canadians (most of them) because of this sense of collective responsibility. Do what you can for the hungry and homeless. 

I respect Trudeau for allowing the rush of (screened) refugees into Canada. And, the generosity of main street Canadians towards the refugees.

Tommy Douglas' initiative is extraordinary. A bold leap ahead of the rest of the continent, coming from of all places the prairies. His moment represents the best of the Canadian spirit. Yes, we can.

No. housing is not a human right. Yes, we can take note of the plight of the working poor (renters). Yes, we must find solutions to IMPROVE the situation.
Suggest you pay attention to Vancouver's new housing strategy. Sounds like Vision Vancouver is contemplating the possibility of offending the NIMBY, and risking all. I rather hope that the NDP can jump on the bandwagon. Perhaps, I will vote for them for the first time(?)
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/790/431/ ... in-canada/
 
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Re: New affordable housing policies for the young

Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:09 pm

There is equality before the law; in the justice system and for access to education. Then, there is the cultural empathy of equity. 

That people deserve a fair break. Everyone should be treated as individuals. That birth circumstances don't matter. We are brothers and sisters. This is a Christian impulse that long predates Karl Marx.

I like Canadians (most of them) because of this sense of collective responsibility. Do what you can for the hungry and homeless. 

I respect Trudeau for allowing the rush of (screened) refugees into Canada. And, the generosity of main street Canadians towards the refugees.

Tommy Douglas' initiative is extraordinary. A bold leap ahead of the rest of the continent, coming from of all places the prairies. His moment represents the best of the Canadian spirit. Yes, we can.

No. housing is not a human right. Yes, we can take note of the plight of the working poor (renters). Yes, we must find solutions to IMPROVE the situation.
Suggest you pay attention to Vancouver's new housing strategy. Sounds like Vision Vancouver is contemplating the possibility of offending the NIMBY, and risking all. I rather hope that the NDP can jump on the bandwagon. Perhaps, I will vote for them for the first time(?)
People deserve a fair break,but not an unfair break.  Everyone makes choices in life, some people's choices are not good ones.  Why should I, who happens to have made (mostly) good choices, have to bail people out of their bad ones?  There is a limit to the social state.

Has anyone solved homelessness, ever?  If not, why does Vancouver think they will?
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