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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:57 am

The record low for our area on this date is 6 degrees C (in 1979). This morning my thermometer read 5 degrees C. It's supposed to be cooler tonight. I like a cool summer, but I do not see any special "warming " yet. A few days ago we had a bunch of hail piled up everywhere in the late afternoon. It didn't all melt until the next morning. The grape and fruit growers are being seriously affected. Solar power isn't going to help them any. This is supposed to be the hot sunny okanagan.
 
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:47 pm

vancouvers climate is so cold you never have to worry about global warming

at vancouvers high latitude u never need air conditioning , u can can be nice and cold year round
 
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:56 pm

Now that you live ( far ) Ted, the air is a lot better, here.
Cool and fresh, just the way we like it. 8)
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:00 am

Yeah but, yeah but, a lot of grants depend on the AGW dogma! :shock: We must all believe, otherwise a lot of scientists will look silly and lose their financial support. WE MUST BELIEVE!!! (Despite all the evidence to the contrary) :shock:
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Sat Jun 07, 2014 6:34 am

As can be viewed on this graph, updated about every month, the arctic sea ice is currently slightly below the thirty year average. No catastrophe is evident here.

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/imag ... series.png
 
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:37 pm

Some people have the POV of an ant. They won't be aware of a fire until the forest burns down. Fortunately, we have the clever work of the scientists who have collected data from the air, ground, ocean and space.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Featur ... /page4.php


As BC becomes a third world country...

“Eoin Madden: The true cost of the Woodfibre LNG plant in Squamish

Sometimes it’s easy to forget about what climate change will eventually mean for you or your neighbours. But coastal towns like Squamish are acutely exposed to the costs of climate change: a federal government report states that B.C.’s timber losses could range from $500 million to $3 billion, and that flooding protection costs would rise to more than $2,000 per person by 2050.

We’re already seeing the effects of climate change appear in our home insurance policies, with increasing costs for water damage coverage. Rising sea levels will seriously impact low lying areas. And Howe Sound is in the danger zone when it comes to ocean acidification, a phenomenon driven by climate change.

Into this sorry situation steps Woodfibre LNG, with its proposal to construct a new gas liquefaction plant on the site of an old pulp mill in Squamish. Woodfibre is just one of many gas plants proposed for our west coast, and in order to feed these plants, thousands of new gas wells would need to be drilled in northeast B.C. This gas will then be shipped to Asia.

In B.C., nine out of 10 gas wells extract gas using the dangerous method of hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking”. Fracking releases large amounts of methane, a greenhouse gas that has a much greater impact on our climate than any other gas. In short, fracking drives climate change. It is also a massive freshwater user...

The economic value of maintaining a clean, outdoor-focused image is often undervalued in B.C. A recent SFU study showed that hikers, cyclists, kayakers and other non-motorized recreationists contribute billions to B.C.’s economy every year, and Squamish is perfectly poised to capitalize on this recreation bonanza. Looking at climbing alone, a 2008 report showed $25 million in direct economic impact to Squamish annually, with the potential to grow to $75 million by 2018...”

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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:03 am

So what do the warmists suggest to get us through cold Canadian winters? Natural gas is evil, coal is out, oil is dwindling, wood is too polluting, solar is not adequate at higher lattitudes just when you need it, we mustn't flood valleys for hydro, the windmills make an annoying hum, Geothermal has its limitations. The only solution by default is Nuclear. After Fukishima, is there anyone who would serioulsy propose that option? What is the solution? Put on an extra sweater, turn out the lights, don't take a warm shower, when the temperature is below zero in your home?
 
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:22 am

Jesus weep!

The first thing to do is to accept responsibility. It's not difficult to cut overall energy consumption by 30% by 2020. Also, cut carbon output even more with greater efficiency.

Then, we wouldn’t need to build new power plants, and perhaps retire the dirty ones. The hard part comes in changing blocked minds.

With regards to fossil fuel production, there needs to be a carbon tax at source or at consumption. Either way, the objective is to discourage waste.

“Americans by 2-to-1 Would Pay More to Curb Climate Change... Americans are willing to bear the costs of combating climate change, and most are more likely to support a candidate seeking to address the issue... By an almost two-to-one margin, 62 percent to 33 percent, Americans say they would pay more for energy if it would mean a reduction in pollution from carbon emissions, according to the Bloomberg National Poll.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-1 ... hange.html


If Canada and BC can cut its dependent on fossil fuel industries, then we have a change to become a first world economy. Compare Canada with Switzerland, Sweden, South Korea, Singapore, etc.

Quality not quantity. High skills not hot air. Knowledge industries not resource industries.

The States has an abundance of land and natural resources. But, they also have Boeing, Intel, Microsoft, Facebook, IBM, Johnson and Johnson, Pfizer, Oracle, etc.

At one time, General Motors was the biggest car company in the world. Then, the States moved on into the post-industrial age. Where is Canada?


Meanwhile, expect more conflict over water and food resources...

“Prized fish move as climate change warms Atlantic

The migration of the flounder fishery has sparked rancour among coastal states

by Marianne Lavelle on Jun 5, 2014 at 3:58 pm

... North Atlantic warming at double global average

The North Atlantic has been warming at 0.41 º F (0.23 ° C) per decade from 1982 to 2006, or close to twice the global average for marine ecosystems, according to one widely cited study. And the bottom-trawl surveys conducted since the 1960s show that the centre of the summer-flounder population has moved northward at roughly 19 miles per decade for the past 40 years.

Changes in local temperatures can explain recent geographical shifts of more than 300 different fish species: they’ve migrated toward the north or south poles, and even east or west into deeper waters, depending on their original locations. “We do think that climate is playing an important role for a wide range of species,” said Malin Pinsky, a Rutgers University ecologist who led that research and who now is heading the joint researcher-manager study on summer-flounder’s changes...”

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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:19 am

None of your big blather answered my question. Where I live, no transit is practically available, so solve my "reduce fuel" comsumption problem if I have to drive twenty to forty miles to work, like many do around here. Electric scooter is out for winter roads, electric car won't travel far and I don't see them working well or reliably in very cold weather yet. My home, and our schools and businesses, still have to be heated when it hits below zero, and solar isn't going to cut it when we have two weeks of cloudy, cold weather, unless you have a basement full of batteries (= incredible cost). Putting on another sweater and a heat pump does not work when it is properly cold. We don't have enough wind, or consistent wind to use that. What is supposed to be the practical solution here, not the fantasy ideal?
 
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:47 am

Kudos to IHE for taking the time to present such robust, science based evidence. Good work, thanks.

Now watch Jimtan produce a compelling rebuttal in the form of name-calling and a picture of a dodo. :roll:
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:38 am

After Climate Change Speech, Obama Jets to Palm Springs for Golf

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President Barack Obama arrived in Palm Springs, California on Saturday via Air Force One to spend Father's Day playing golf. Hours earlier, he had lectured graduating students at University of California, Irvine, about the need to "do something" about climate change, mocking those who questioned that policy goal.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) encourages reducing unnecessary air travel to minimize carbon dioxide emissions. Golf courses are also frequent targets of environmentalists--especially in southern California, where a severe drought has placed a spotlight on golf courses' use of scarce water resources.

In his address, Obama told graduates they had a personal obligation to act on climate change: "You need to invest in what helps, and divest from what harms. And you’ve got to remind everyone who represents you, at every level of government, that doing something about climate change is a prerequisite for your vote."

The golfing trip to Palm Springs is Obama's second so far this year. In February, he golfed in Palm Springs after delivering a speech in the drought-stricken Central Valley about his efforts to help affected farmers. He moved a meeting with Jordan's King Abdullah to Palm Springs instead of Washington, D.C. to facilitate his golfing trip.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Cali ... s-for-Golf

No problem the JimTans will say, Mr. President has paid up his carbon credits for the year!
 
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:11 pm

He probably directed his pilot to fly his gas guzzling jet at its most efficient speed and altitude, that way he can claim that he's "doing his bit" towards saving the planet. :mrgreen:
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:19 pm

Where you choose to live is your lifestyle choice. Accept the responsibility for the consequences.

“22 Devastating Effects Of Climate Change

... The greenhouse gas emissions that drive warming "now substantially exceed the highest concentrations recorded in ice cores during the past 800,000 years," the IPCC said. Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, which primarily come from the burning of fossil fuels, have risen 40% since pre-industrial times...

Climate change will be insanely expensive.
Asset destruction, forced relocations, droughts, extinctions, and all of the other bad things we're going to discuss will add up in costs to the global economy. Already the Natural Resources Defense Council estimates that the U.S. Climate Disruption Budget — i.e., stuff related to drought, storm, and growing climate disruptions — was nearly $100 billion. And that's just the start.

By 2030, climate change costs are projected to cost the global economy $700 billion annually, according to the Climate Vulnerability Monitor.

As climate change continues, costs will go up. Indeed, the release of a 50-billion-ton reservoir of methane from melting Arctic ice, which may advance global warming by 15-to-35 years, could by itself cost $60 trillion to the global economy, researchers told Nature last summer...

The National Climate Assessment detailed some of our Nation's record breaking droughts. In 2011, Texas and Oklahoma saw more than 100 days over almost 28 degrees C, and also set records for hottest summer since 1895, when people began keeping reliable climate records.

"Rates of water loss, due in part to evaporation, were double the long-term average. The heat and drought depleted water resources and contributed to more than $10 billion in direct losses to agriculture alone," said the Assessment.”

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/22-devast ... 49382.html

Stop whining. It's up to the state to tax your way of life, and to force utilities to go green. Pay your share. Make a donation to the Suzuki Foundation or UNHCR.

http://www.unhcr.ca/
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:05 am

JimTan:
Climate change will be insanely expensive.
Asset destruction, forced relocations,
:shock: ....why would "forced relocations" be a natural consequence of climate change? :shock:
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Re: Climate Warming is coming to BC

Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:31 pm

Yo! Hater,

Does this sound familiar?

“GOP congressman: If humans cause climate change, 'why did the dinosaurs go extinct?'

... Miller's response: "Then why did the dinosaurs go extinct? Were there men that were causing — were there cars running around at that point, that were causing global warming?"

http://theweek.com/article/index/262888 ... z34BOsoKCq


Meanwhile, realists are already coping with climate change.

“Across states, some companies are managing for climate change

... Republicans and the coal industry are among those that oppose President Barack Obama's effort to lower power plant emissions. But Carbon Disclosure Project's report suggests some nonpartisan support at the state level for tackling climate change, which some dispute is not human-induced.

The public companies in the study—from Texas energy firms to California tech leaders—are big job creators, and are integrating climate change into business strategies. They're lowering their carbon footprint by reimagining everything from laundry detergent to building insulation.

... In other words, dealing with climate change—that can include securing future water supplies and removing manufacturing plants from the riskiest environments—is now a cost of doing business.

... Of the 11 Texas energy companies studied in the paper, nearly all reported they have incorporated natural gas, wind or solar power into their energy mix. Companies including Consol Energy and Spectra Energy have made big investments in renewable and alternative fuel sources.

And ahead of the proposed plan to cut carbon pollution from power plants, utilities like Arlington, Virginia-based AES Corporation and San Diego, California-based Sempra Energy are generating more power from renewable sources such as hydro, wind and solar.

... A day after the U.S. announced plans to reduce carbon emissions at power plants, China—the world's biggest greenhouse gas emitter—stepped into the debate last week. CHINA SAID IT WILL LIMIT ITS TOTAL EMISSIONS FOR THE FIRST TIME BY THE END OF THIS DECADE, several news agencies reported. A major climate change conference is scheduled in Paris next year. “

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101744623
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