Myth Busted: Van Pop Density, Growth Lags Cdn Cities

[vanpro]

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recen ... m=&TABID=1

Quote from above link:
Vancouver (CMA)
Population in 2011 1 2,313,328 4,400,057†
Population in 2006 1 2,116,581 4,113,487†
2006 to 2011 population change (%) 9.3 7.0
Total private dwellings 2 949,565 1,945,365
Private dwellings occupied by usual residents 3 891,336 1,764,637
Population density per square kilometre 802.5 4.8
Land area (square km) 2,882.55


http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recen ... m=&TABID=1

Toronto (CMA)
Population and dwelling counts Toronto (CMA) Ontario
Population in 2011 1 5,583,064 12,851,821†
Population in 2006 1 5,113,149 12,160,282†
2006 to 2011 population change (%) 9.2 5.7
Total private dwellings 2 2,079,459 5,308,785
Private dwellings occupied by usual residents 3 1,989,705 4,887,508
Population density per square kilometre 945.4 14.1
Land area (square km) 5,905.71

[eyesthebye]

nobody gives a shite about population density in the middle of the agricultural land reserve vanpro.
This is one city compared to the next

and just because you yell with capital letters doesn't make your point more salient

[vanpro]

nobody gives a shite about population density in the middle of the agricultural land reserve vanpro.
This is one city compared to the next

and just because you yell with capital letters doesn't make your point more salient

I provided apples-to-apples (i.e. CMA vs CMA) Stats Can verified data w/ source link - you on the other hand blab away making up your own fantasy bubble (excuse the pun) numbers w/ no back-up and complain that i am being erroneous....par for the course.

Now, just for completeness why don't you round it out by refuting all the data on how our economy is worse, employment, job market is worse , incomes lower, out-migration to other provinces higher and population growth lower than other major Canadian cities (see previous threads for the multitudes of independent data sources I have provided).

[jesse1]

care to explain the bleeding obvious to the others

I look at price-income; by that measure three things, or combination thereof must happen:
1) Land prices drop
2) Incomes go up
3) Land becomes more productive by rebuilding/renovation

A great many people are hoping for #2 and #3.

[eyesthebye]

care to explain the bleeding obvious to the others

I look at price-income; by that measure three things, or combination thereof must happen:
1) Land prices drop
2) Incomes go up
3) Land becomes more productive by rebuilding/renovation

A great many people are hoping for #2 and #3.

3) is the only change I've been seeing in Vancouver for quite a long time.

[eyesthebye]

"vanpro"
I provided apples-to-apples (i.e. CMA vs CMA) Stats Can verified data w/ source link - you on the other hand blab away making up your own fantasy bubble (excuse the pun) numbers w/ no back-up and complain that i am being erroneous....par for the course.

you pull stats out of your ass as it suits your argument. You consistenly site city of Vancouver affordability problem yet expand the argument to the greater region to make density stats work in your favour. Stick with one argument vanpro

also, as raventalk explained, Vancouver market is international. All the stats you post about unemployment, incomes, etc. don't mean much if you don't include the wealth, income, etc. of the people that actually buy property (rather than rent)

[vanpro]

"vanpro"
I provided apples-to-apples (i.e. CMA vs CMA) Stats Can verified data w/ source link - you on the other hand blab away making up your own fantasy bubble (excuse the pun) numbers w/ no back-up and complain that i am being erroneous....par for the course.

you pull stats out of your ass as it suits your argument. You consistenly site city of Vancouver affordability problem yet expand the argument to the greater region to make density stats work in your favour. Stick with one argument vanpro

also, as raventalk explained, Vancouver market is international. All the stats you post about unemployment, incomes, etc. don't mean much if you don't include the wealth, income, etc. of the people that actually buy property (rather than rent)

Please provide the data that shows foreign % of buyers of homes in ALL of Greater Vancouver - i.e. not just west side (REBGV ALL areas avg. price is nearly double Toronto and triple Calgary, Edmonton). Note Toronto's immigration is HIGHER than Vancouver's and Vancouver trails Calgary, Edmonton, Saskatoon etc.. in terms of overall population growth (see RBC Canadian cities economic stats comparison wherein data source is Statistics Canada: http://www.rbc.com/economics/market/pdf/citytrend.pdf "Source: Statistics Canada, the Canadian Real Estate Association, RBC Economics Research"). See also, Central 1 Credit Union who also publish population trends for Vancouver and BC from Statistics Canada. I have recently posted their reports that show immigration plunging and out-migration from Vancouver to other provinces increasing.

Finally: see RBC affordability reports historical price graphs for Vancouver and affordability graphs - throughout Vancouver's history, whenever prices get way detached from incomes and unaffordability gets high, that is ALWAYS followed by price declines, NOT income or land "productivity" increases....and that is regardless of source of buyers (i.e. foreign or local).

Oh and also please provide the evidence that Statistics Canada resides in my ass. Thanks!

[jesse1]

3) is the only change I've been seeing in Vancouver for quite a long time.

3) Doesn't really apply to condos, and dwellings located far from major centres and transit hubs, as I think you'll agree.

[thinktom]

Many of you obviously have ZERO idea how hard it is to find a home with 3 beds up in Vancouver. How many newer 5000 home subdivisions are in Toronto? I know. I was born and raised there. Detached is a different story here.

[jesse1]

Many of you obviously have ZERO idea how hard it is to find a home with 3 beds up in Vancouver

My online MLS search yields some results. Or did you mean "good" home?

[registered]

Many of you obviously have ZERO idea how hard it is to find a home with 3 beds up in Vancouver. How many newer 5000 home subdivisions are in Toronto? I know. I was born and raised there. Detached is a different story here.

Then you know they're a hour's drive from the core, equivalent to being on the other side of Surrey or Richmond. Pretending the area bound by the 407, QEW, 427 and DVP is somehow more open for development than west of Burnaby is the height of dishonesty and only serves to make the cheerleaders here look like idiots. Up your game.

[eyesthebye]

Many of you obviously have ZERO idea how hard it is to find a home with 3 beds up in Vancouver. How many newer 5000 home subdivisions are in Toronto? I know. I was born and raised there. Detached is a different story here.

Then you know they're a hour's drive from the core, equivalent to being on the other side of Surrey or Richmond. Pretending the area bound by the 407, QEW, 427 and DVP is somehow more open for development than west of Burnaby is the height of dishonesty and only serves to make the cheerleaders here look like idiots. Up your game.

what do you live in registered? A dingy 3 floor walk up 1 bedroom suite if memory serves me correct
If it's so easy to find a 3 bedroom suite why aren't you in one?

[rofina]

Many of you obviously have ZERO idea how hard it is to find a home with 3 beds up in Vancouver. How many newer 5000 home subdivisions are in Toronto? I know. I was born and raised there. Detached is a different story here.

Then you know they're a hour's drive from the core, equivalent to being on the other side of Surrey or Richmond. Pretending the area bound by the 407, QEW, 427 and DVP is somehow more open for development than west of Burnaby is the height of dishonesty and only serves to make the cheerleaders here look like idiots. Up your game.

what do you live in registered? A dingy 3 floor walk up 1 bedroom suite if memory serves me correct
If it's so easy to find a 3 bedroom suite why aren't you in one?

Regardless of what he lives in, what he typed about Toronto is true. Lets focus on that, shall we?