westcoastfella wrote:

VanLord, please don't - every time you quote him I am forced to see his drivel.  Ignore is your best option.

VanLord wrote:

westcoastfella wrote:

VanLord, please don't - every time you quote him I am forced to see his drivel.  Ignore is your best option.

ok you're right, just have to remember to login first before reading posts!  Flame war is off, just ignore!!!

eyesthebye2 wrote:

Ok one argument with ETB, than I'm out for a while
How is Real Estate any different???  

Dont be naive.
Stock market is for making money. If there is no money to be made there are no buyers.
Housing has function.
There are locations all over N America whete housing never appreciates...yet there are still ample buyers.
Thats why I dont trust stocks. Eventually the music will stop and stockholders will be left without a chair to sit on.

reallyreal2 wrote:

eyesthebye2 wrote:

Ok one argument with ETB, than I'm out for a while
How is Real Estate any different???  

Dont be naive.
Stock market is for making money. If there is no money to be made there are no buyers.
Housing has function.
There are locations all over N America whete housing never appreciates...yet there are still ample buyers.
Thats why I dont trust stocks. Eventually the music will stop and stockholders will be left without a chair to sit on.

Again - do you even understand how the stock market works? 
I guess it doesn't matter one way or the other.

VanLord wrote:

yzfr1 wrote:

Stock markets are a positive for people who understand why they are investing in. People on this forum have demonstrated a very basic understanding of equites. The problem I have with stocks is that every harry dick and tom tries to invest their money into something they don''t understand and frankly have no buisness investing in. Even buying mutual funds at a bank is stupid when you just listen to what the advisor "suggests" Most people should just leave their money inside a GIC. At least make a attempt to try to learn about how the fincial market works, some basic terms. Shorting / options / EPS ect ect ect.

Yes people should make an attempt to learn about the markets, and maybe for some its best to leave it in a GIC, but the problem with that is you are losing ground against inflation every year and you are taxed at the highest rate on any interest earned (outside TFSA or RRSP)...Better to put it in an Index fund or blue chip fund that pays out dividends, but I agree you should have at least a basic understanding of the markets and what you are buying...especially when it goes south for a while, so that you don't panic sell.

reallyreal2 wrote:

VanLord wrote:

yzfr1 wrote:

Stock markets are a positive for people who understand why they are investing in. People on this forum have demonstrated a very basic understanding of equites. The problem I have with stocks is that every harry dick and tom tries to invest their money into something they don''t understand and frankly have no buisness investing in. Even buying mutual funds at a bank is stupid when you just listen to what the advisor "suggests" Most people should just leave their money inside a GIC. At least make a attempt to try to learn about how the fincial market works, some basic terms. Shorting / options / EPS ect ect ect.

Yes people should make an attempt to learn about the markets, and maybe for some its best to leave it in a GIC, but the problem with that is you are losing ground against inflation every year and you are taxed at the highest rate on any interest earned (outside TFSA or RRSP)...Better to put it in an Index fund or blue chip fund that pays out dividends, but I agree you should have at least a basic understanding of the markets and what you are buying...especially when it goes south for a while, so that you don't panic sell.

If you don't understand how the market works, banks are always a relatively safe bet.  They seem to win year after year after year.  Reinvest the dividends and bob's your uncle.
I still kick myself for not buying BMO in 2008 when it fell to $25-$30.  They are paying a $3.5/share dividend today meaning that investment would be paying over 10% return just on the dividends - nevermind the capital appreciation of nearly 4 times my money.  
So long as you think our banks are solvent and will always be solvent - bank stocks are easy money.

eyesthebye2 wrote:

westcoastfella wrote:

eyesthebye2 wrote:

First you want to tell me how much my home is worth, now you want to give me the details on my pension?
You're a real hoot pal.

as usual, dodging the question....

Its a defined pension plan.
In good times it pays me no more than defined, even when it produces higher yield. Likewise, in bad times it pays me no less.
This is directly from the pension management:
"Upturns and downturns in investment markets—both while you work and after you retire—will not affect your basic pension income"

Now lets talk about how full of shit you are about your housing westcoast.
You were basically affordability evicted from Vancouver about 5 years ago.
Now suddenly you have a million plus home with no mortgage and having done a 300k reno? Smells bad from how I read it. Time for a diaper change.

reallyreal2 wrote:

eyesthebye2 wrote:

westcoastfella wrote:

as usual, dodging the question....

Its a defined pension plan.
In good times it pays me no more than defined, even when it produces higher yield. Likewise, in bad times it pays me no less.
This is directly from the pension management:
"Upturns and downturns in investment markets—both while you work and after you retire—will not affect your basic pension income"

Now lets talk about how full of shit you are about your housing westcoast.
You were basically affordability evicted from Vancouver about 5 years ago.
Now suddenly you have a million plus home with no mortgage and having done a 300k reno? Smells bad from how I read it. Time for a diaper change.

LOL WCF seems to have gotten under ETB skin here.
The dim lightbulb must have just gone off in ETB's head that if the stock market crashes (someone is without a chair!!!!) then that means his pension is up for renegotiation.  And now has resorted to foul language to vent frustrations!
LOL - then he quotes something from pension management.  Sorry ETB, you will be effected just as much as everyone else when stock market tanks because if there isn't any money, there isn't any money.  Not the market tanks but ETB still gets their pension LOL

westcoastfella wrote:

eyesthebye2 wrote:

westcoastfella wrote:

as usual, dodging the question....

Its a defined pension plan.
In good times it pays me no more than defined, even when it produces higher yield. Likewise, in bad times it pays me no less.
This is directly from the pension management:
"Upturns and downturns in investment markets—both while you work and after you retire—will not affect your basic pension income"

Every pension plan is defined.  You have a defined benefit pension plan, which pays you $x until you die no matter what you put in or what happens in the market.  As opposed to a defined contribution pension, which says your employer will contribute $x every year to a pooled pension (often shared by you and employer), and that you will get some amount of money paid regularly once you retire.  Defined benefit is certainly preferrable, and having it be government backed provides a lot more guarantee than a private corporation, but just ask Nortel employees about guaranteed pensions

Now lets talk about how full of shit you are about your housing westcoast.
You were basically affordability evicted from Vancouver about 5 years ago.
Now suddenly you have a million plus home with no mortgage and having done a 300k reno? Smells bad from how I read it. Time for a diaper change.

Well not everyone has a government job, some of us actually get to earn real money with our occupations 
I don't recall being "affordability evicted" in 2009, I simply wasn't willing to pay the asking price for a house back then and stayed in my fully paid off apartment - although I'm sure you saw it that way with your myopic view of the world.  Work took me away for a few years, but I'm back now...suffice to say the last 8 years have been full of mostly good decisions on my part, and a fair amount of luck, which have set me up for life.  Looking back, I can honestly say that one of the best decisions I made back in 2009 was not buying a house in the LM.

reallyreal2 wrote:

westcoastfella wrote:

eyesthebye2 wrote:

Its a defined pension plan.
In good times it pays me no more than defined, even when it produces higher yield. Likewise, in bad times it pays me no less.
This is directly from the pension management:
"Upturns and downturns in investment markets—both while you work and after you retire—will not affect your basic pension income"

Every pension plan is defined.  You have a defined benefit pension plan, which pays you $x until you die no matter what you put in or what happens in the market.  As opposed to a defined contribution pension, which says your employer will contribute $x every year to a pooled pension (often shared by you and employer), and that you will get some amount of money paid regularly once you retire.  Defined benefit is certainly preferrable, and having it be government backed provides a lot more guarantee than a private corporation, but just ask Nortel employees about guaranteed pensions

Now lets talk about how full of shit you are about your housing westcoast.
You were basically affordability evicted from Vancouver about 5 years ago.
Now suddenly you have a million plus home with no mortgage and having done a 300k reno? Smells bad from how I read it. Time for a diaper change.

Well not everyone has a government job, some of us actually get to earn real money with our occupations 
I don't recall being "affordability evicted" in 2009, I simply wasn't willing to pay the asking price for a house back then and stayed in my fully paid off apartment - although I'm sure you saw it that way with your myopic view of the world.  Work took me away for a few years, but I'm back now...suffice to say the last 8 years have been full of mostly good decisions on my part, and a fair amount of luck, which have set me up for life.  Looking back, I can honestly say that one of the best decisions I made back in 2009 was not buying a house in the LM.

Congrats WCF!
Some people on this forum of so full envy of those that are able to earn income, set them self up for retirement all the while doing it without having to chain themself up to a Vancouver home for the rest of their life and pretend this is the place on earth to justify their decision.  Others consider it shocking that people are able to make money outside of the lower mainland because they can't fathom that a big world exists beyond 60 kms east of the Fraser River.