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Wealth VS Income

Postby unicas » Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:45 am

Interesting report from an international conference co-hosted by The National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) of the U.S. and an university in China. Total 2010family wealth in America is USD $57.1 trillion vs China's USD $69.7 trillion. For the Chinese part, the ratio of city and non city residents taken in the survey is 181:139. Given in absolute terms China's GDP is less than half of the U.S. in 2010, this result can be puzzling.

China still has around just under 50% of its citizens who are non city residents, meaning farmers, and significant portion of that population is lagged behind by China's 3 decade long economic boom. And they drag down the per capita data.

For those of you who will point out that China has 4 times the population, here is finding from another report: A typical middle class city citizen's family asset is RMB 2,400,000, or USD$ 380,952. Average family debts of city residents is RMB100,000 or USD $15,873, in other words, average Chinese city family close to have zero debts, including mortgage and so a typical middle class China city citizens average family net worth is almost 4 times higer than average American family's net worth (USD $370,000 vs $77,000)

How can that be? The answer, Chinese save like today does not exist while Americans spend like there is no tomorrow.

As hard as it is to believe in this report, I actually believe it. All my contacts, friends, family, business associates, they have no debts and lots of equity. Many of them much are richer than me or Taipan :D . There is a slogan in Beijing that immigration companies use as marketing pitch . "Sell a condo and you can immigrate to U.S.A"

One of the biggest accomplishment of the government is how fast they have engineered urbanization, lifting people out of non city status. in the 1980s, more than 90% of the citizens were non city residents. As gobigandgohome pointed out, another 150 million people will join the city residents rank in the next 5 years.

http://e.chengdu.cn/page/1/2012-06/30/0 ... 04_pdf.pdf
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Re: Wealth VS Income

Postby Taipan » Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:24 pm

Lucky the USA spends like there is no tomorrow, because if they stopped spending, the Chinese will need every RMB they have got to survive.
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Well, they will thank their lucky stars, that they arent one of the thousands of miserable souls who cant sell their properties in 2013!
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Re: Wealth VS Income

Postby unicas » Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:31 pm

by Taipan » Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:24 pm

Lucky the USA spends like there is no tomorrow, because if they stopped spending, the Chinese will need ever RMB they have got to survive.


And the Chinese will stop buying rocks from the Aussie, so what is left for your guys? kill kangaroos for food?
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Postby jesse1 » Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:15 pm

so what is left for your guys?

A lower dollar and rebalancing. Not everyone will suffer in such a downturn.
You're over-thinking it
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Re: Wealth VS Income

Postby Taipan » Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:32 pm

unicas wrote:
by Taipan » Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:24 pm

Lucky the USA spends like there is no tomorrow, because if they stopped spending, the Chinese will need every RMB they have got to survive.


And the Chinese will stop buying rocks from the Aussie, so what is left for your guys? kill kangaroos for food?


Weve got it all.
Fresh food,
Fresh water,
Great produce,
Great oceans, beaches, forests, farmlands.
Good climate variation.
plenty of space for people,
and if we dont dig it up now, itll still be there next year or decade, when you come knocking.
were an island nation with no shared borders.

In the mean time we will have a barbie, a few beers, kick back and chill out -
I could go on - but lets just say its good.

(Apart from really good powder snow. For that you go to Canada!)
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Re: Wealth VS Income

Postby unicas » Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:40 pm

Africa gets everything on your list too. SO??

Australia is darn good. I mean it. The only reason I would pick Canada over Australia is it is in the middle of no where. Where is the closest major city/country???, took me 8 hours to fly from H.K, and that was after 14hours from Vancouver. I dont know I can handle this again.

Plus, we are shielded by the still sole super power on the planet FOR FREE. It may stretch too thin for you guys though :D
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Re: Wealth VS Income

Postby tdma800 » Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:06 pm

In Australia you could be jailed if you don't vote.
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Re: Wealth VS Income

Postby Warren12 » Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:36 am

Taipan wrote:Weve got it all.
Fresh food,
Fresh water,
Great produce,
Great oceans, beaches, forests, farmlands.
Good climate variation.
plenty of space for people,
and if we dont dig it up now, itll still be there next year or decade, when you come knocking.
were an island nation with no shared borders.


Better buy a bicycle old man, it looks like Australia imports more than 50% of the crude oil it uses.

Production: http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?country=au&product=oil&graph=production

Consumption: http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?country=au&product=oil&graph=consumption
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