Geezer, Taipan disagreements posted here

[Geyser]

Wonderful stuff that kept me off the streets and sober.

I'm hoping that nobody blows the whistle on Taipan, I am getting a certain perverse pleasure from watching him self-destruct. He really doesn't seem to be able to reign himself in, it's quite a fascinating pathology.

[Taipan]

Hell you’ve got some tickets on yourself. Don’t stand to close to the fire or they will burn.

Taipan self destruct? Nah - only in your tiny mind is that happening!

You’re actually doing yourself a lot of damage. Only your small group of sycophants think you’re amusing.

These days you are just looking deceptive, misleading and nasty. More slimy than a used car sales person.

The numbers continue to be way beyond your comprehension.

[thirdlittlepig]

How wonderful you two have found each other.)

Geyser make up your mind what you want from Taipan. On one hand you criticize him for being himself, on the other you criticize him for not pretending to be normal. If he did pretend to be normal you would say he is once again lying, which apparently he is not willing to do. You want cencorship of certain statements on the forum, yet you want the freedom to be as insulting as you would like to be. You claim to be offended by certain types of statements (non of which are illegal as far as I can see), yet you badger in the hopes of drawing more offensive statements, so you can again pretend to be shocked. If you guys don't like insulting responses, all you have to do is stop pestering. Reminds me of schoolyard bullies who invariably go running to the principal the minute the tormented one lashes back. Wah, wah, he hit me back first!

[eyesthebye]

Geezer,

You're like that drunk barfly looking for a fight..."you lookin' at me punk", "wanna go?"
The Robert Carlyle character Begbie from transpotting comes to mind.
Don't we have real estate to discuss?
Or is this how you shoot your mouth off? Comfortably behind your computer.
Get a grip dude.

[robert james]

Geezer,

You're like that drunk barfly looking for a fight..."you lookin' at me punk", "wanna go?"
The Robert Carlyle character Begbie from transpotting comes to mind.
Don't we have real estate to discuss?
Or is this how you shoot your mouth off? Comfortably behind your computer.
Get a grip dude.

Indeed !! Well said, ETB !!

[Geyser]

Geyser make up your mind what you want from Taipan. On one hand you criticize him for being himself, on the other you criticize him for not pretending to be normal

Slight comprehension problem here. Take another look at what I wrote:

You really can't help it can you? You are so consumed by bigotry and hate that you can't even pretend to be normal.

I wasn't suggesting that he should "pretend to be normal", I am pointing out that he is so filled with race hate that he is unable to pretend to be normal. Most other bigots make attempts to present their hatred as something less obvious. He finds it easy to pretend about so many other things but he just can't bring himself to stop openly berating Asians, even when he's trying to characterize his hateful comments as legitimate history lessons or useful Trivia facts.

You want cencorship of certain statements on the forum, yet you want the freedom to be as insulting as you would like to be

Taipan has a long history of being abusive to other posters, my comments about his proven lies and his proven racism are pretty mild compared to many of his disgusting rants.

Reminds me of schoolyard bullies .....

Taipan is without doubt the biggest bully this forum has ever seen and although his primary focus is race based, lots of others have fallen victim to his abuse as well.

It's interesting to see you leaping to his defense, much as you used to defend that other big race-hate specialist "Poundcruncher". I am aware of your own distaste for Asians and I can't help but wonder if that's just a coincidence.

You claim to be offended by certain types of statements (non of which are illegal as far as I can see)

I would be surprised if his comment "Asians are from the shallow end of the gene pool" does not fit the definitions under our hate laws. I think he is very foolish to have posted so many racist comments (see my partial list earlier in this thread) and to have also posted his picture and details of his recent property purchase. How many properties do you think have been sold to Australians in Sun Peaks in recent months? That info. along with his picture should make him very easy to find if the authorities should decide to look him up.

I think I can justly be accused of pulling the wings off a fly, but this is a particularly unpleasant fly who deserves it.

[Geyser]

by eyesthebye » Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:31 am

Geezer,

You're like that drunk barfly looking for a fight..."you lookin' at me punk", "wanna go?"
The Robert Carlyle character Begbie from transpotting comes to mind.
Don't we have real estate to discuss?
Or is this how you shoot your mouth off? Comfortably behind your computer.
Get a grip dude.

I guess you forgot this:

Geezer, Taipan disagreements posted here
by eyesthebye » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:17 am

Geezer, Taipan.

Please be so kind as to use this thread for your off topic yelling match

I complied with your request which I felt was reasonable and I even made efforts to persuade Taipan to do the same. I assumed you would not be reading this thread, why are you here?

Here is some advice from a like thinking poster, TLP when he was busily defending Poundcruncher's pedophile slur:

Re: Poundcruncher and pedophile jokes on RET.
by thirdlittlepig » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:16 am
The fact that this website often becomes the site of sand fights and pissing matches is not new and not secret, and yes, it is tiresome, so complain all you like, but don't go running to the teacher every time you end up with sand in your shorts as a result. Anyone who is still on this board, unless they are brand new, is here with the knowledge that realtors, bankers, buyers, sellers, lawyers, renters, landlords,and pretty much everyone can be criticized for their positions. Get used to it, or don't read this board.

If you guys want to align yourselves with a rampant racist, be my guest. I think his comments are disgusting but you both appear to join TLP and find them acceptable. As an aside, do you think he would escape unmolested if he loudly shared his loathsome views in an actual Vancouver bar?

The fact that you are defending him is astounding but very revealing. Unfortunately, race has become very much a part of the RE debate in recent years. It is good to know where you folks stand with regard to racist comments because it helps put your other comments in perspective.

I prefer to reject those views but everybody is entitled to their beliefs. Don't be too surprised when voicing those beliefs garners a hostile reaction, some of us really don't like it.

Will you now please stop reading this thread, that was why you originally created it wasn't it?

[thirdlittlepig]

Ah, see, you have misinterpreted my intentions as well. I am generally in favor of a fair amount of latitude regarding freedom of speech. Some of Taipan's comments actually have merit in my opinion (such as there should be some way to limit or prevent immigrants of whatever ethnic persuasian from "parachuting in" and not really joining Canadian society properly), and I would bet that the majority of Canadians and other canadian immigrants would feel similarly. You seem to think this is racist, and even discussing it is racist. I seem to think that many of our immigrants would defend the right to free speech and some, like my Dad, fought or died to protect that right. As far as some of his more insulting or off the wall comments, they often seem to be in response to other rude comments directed against him , so lets call it a draw. And then we won't have to condemn you for being racist against Aussies (no different than being racist against Asians), or not in favor of free speech. Limits on free speech, sure there are laws against inciting to hatred etc. and I don't think Taipan's comments fall into that category. But if you think you have a case, take it up with the courts. I would bet that if the whole mess was proposed to be sent to court most people, including the judge would say Taipan's comments, while perhaps disagreeable to some, or insulting to some, do not fall on the wrong side of the law. I am not "aligned" with anyone, but I am very concerned about the erosion of a basic right like freedom of speech when no one is promoting any harm to any particular ethnic group. If continual badgering is leading to someone making insulting statements, don't you think the instigators have some responsability too? If you had been polite and cordial all along, and Taipan was insulting you, I would say, that's unfortunate, and uncalled for. But I can't see what the problem is here, you both love to scrap, and neither is going to quit apparently. So it goes on. That's why we have courts, so that bar brawls or simple discussions like on this board can be punished, if they result in some law being broken. If no law has been broken, then we are just talking about censorship to protect your delicate sensibilities.
By the way some of my best and most respected friends and acquaintances have been of asian descent or background and I have not met one I didn't like(*). But I am still not happy about immigrants who don't really want to be a part of Canadian society, or who would not defend our citizens' right to free speech.
(*) Oh, I take that back. I did know one fellow who I think was pakistani (who checks these days), so he would be asian I guess (who cares anyway) and I really didn't like him. Not because he was pakistani, but because his upbringing made him a very unpleasant person to deal with, so I fired him. So I suppose that would make me racist because I dislike someone of a different ethnic background.

[thirdlittlepig]

Oh, and in case you didn't realize, section 13 of the Human Rights Act, banning some forms of speech on the internet etc, was repealed last month. So discussion of racist comments now is a matter of etiquette, not a federal crime. So our lawmakers must have realized what a silly law it was in the first place, it had no place in a country like Canada, and I think most freespeech loving Canadians would agree.

[Geyser]

TLP, I am surprised to read that we may have some common ground on this issue. My response is extremely lengthy because I think your comments were probably well intentioned and hence you deserve a full explanation.

I actually agree with this statement of yours:

"Some of Taipan's comments actually have merit in my opinion (such as there should be some way to limit or prevent immigrants of whatever ethnic persuasian from "parachuting in" and not really joining Canadian society properly), and I would bet that the majority of Canadians and other canadian immigrants would feel similarly."

Unfortunately you appear to have misread some of my posts. Let's start with your mention of my racism towards Australians.

Here is that post again, it also addresses the difference between "race" and "culture".

"My experiences in Australia have left me with the impression that the majority of the population are nice, decent, tolerant people of all races. Stupid stereotypes paint all Australians as colonial convict stock who are vulgar, loud mouthed, drunken, bigoted buffoons. This is a stereotype which I reject but if my experiences had been dominated by encounters with people like you I might have decided otherwise. Had that been the case I would not have put it down to race, I would have assumed that the local education system was severely lacking, some other local factor was creating dysfunctional attitudes, or perhaps mental illness was widespread. Do you see the difference?"

I recognize that most cultures have unpleasant characteristics worthy of condemnation, including my own. Taipan is a product of a particularly nasty and dysfunctional segment of his society, such anomalies exist in every country but I prefer to focus on Martin Luther King's words:

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

When judging the content of character, race should not enter into it. Yes there are obnoxious people from most cultures and when they exist in large numbers the stereotypes gain traction, but that doesn't make it right.

There is a big difference between condemning somebody's adherence to unpleasant cultural habits versus condemning them because of their race, accent, etc.

I think you will probably agree with those statements. I trust you will also agree that making broad generalized statements about an entire race coming from "the shallow end of the gene pool", or obsessing over average penis sizes of any particular group, is more than just mildly offensive. Some Australians are like Taipan, so what, that doesn't mean they are all scum. Taipan is welcome to point to specific individual examples of bad behaviour but he should quit painting with a broad brush which includes everybody from his targeted racial group - usually Asian.

"I seem to think that many of our immigrants would defend the right to free speech and some, like my Dad, fought or died to protect that right."

Once again I agree and I don't just talk about it. I am pleased that you have relatives who were willing to put their lives on the line by donning their country's uniform. I have experienced the unmistakable sound of bullets whizzing over my head as a British soldier and it was unsettling but, as I told Taipan, it didn't deter me from later volunteering for the Canadian Militia. Obviously not something the Taipans of this world are likely to do but some folks prefer action over bluster.

"If continual badgering is leading to someone making insulting statements, don't you think the instigators have some responsability too?"

That's a fair comment but in Taipan's case he has a long history of flaming anybody who disagrees with him and he does so in a particularly crude and inflammatory fashion. He was very busy attacking innocents before I challenged him. Save your sympathy for a more deserving person. 

"By the way some of my best and most respected friends and acquaintances have been of asian descent or background and I have not met one I didn't like(*). But I am still not happy about immigrants who don't really want to be a part of Canadian society, or who would not defend our citizens' right to free speech."

We have another point we can agree on. In my case my wife and my in-laws (except for the kids) are all first generation Asian immigrants and are fully integrated into Canadian society. Taipan is talking about my family, now you will understand why I have such contempt for him when he starts rolling in his sewer of hate and denigrates entire racial groups.

In summary, if I misjudged you I am sorry but I remain puzzled why anybody would choose to defend such a wretched bigot, even in the name of free speech. Fomenting contempt and loathing for visible minorities is not the sort of free speech I would choose to defend.

If Taipan chooses to remain relentless with his race hate and general intolerance I will continue to harass him. The beauty of this seperate thread is that we can continue without impacting the rest of the forum. Thank you ETB, that was a good idea even if you are now unhappy with what you created.

[thirdlittlepig]

Well great, that's just what freedom of speech is all about, just as you are entitled to be rude and obnoxious to Taipan, criticize and insult to your heart's content. But then you have to admit that he has the same right. You justify his actions by participating yourself in this nonsense. Right to (rude obnoxious) speech is not so selective that it applies to one person and not his opponent. Everyone is a product of their upbringing I guess. Australia has different rules about what you can say regarding ethnic references (if they are true, I think the speaker has more latitude). You could have countered with some of the inaccuracies of his claims regarding the size of body parts, which might have had more impact with him.The Aussies also have different meanings for terms like diploma and degree (this varies by country) than we do here in B.C. which I think led to some initial confusion and claims of inaccuracy. Heck some people have degrees from bogus institutions that wouldn't be recognized in Canada, but they are still degrees (at least in their own minds). (not saying that this is the case for Taipan, just that people can mean different things by diploma and degree). There's a lot of disagreement about which types of racial comments are racist or should be prosecuted or snuffed out electronically. So different people draw the line in different places. You are not a judge in the court of this land, but you can judge all you like. Being offended doesn't necessarily make him wrong and you right.He's offended too, so should we muzzle you too? Or just let you two grow up a little more and come to your senses?

[Geyser]

It appears that we see the world through a different lens and will have to agree to disagree about what is and is not acceptable as part of civilized debate.

Well great, that's just what freedom of speech is all about, just as you are entitled to be rude and obnoxious to Taipan, criticize and insult to your heart's content. But then you have to admit that he has the same right. You justify his actions by participating yourself in this nonsense. Right to (rude obnoxious) speech is not so selective that it applies to one person and not his opponent. Everyone is a product of their upbringing I guess.

My issue is not with his rudeness to me, it is with his vicious racial assaults on people he doesn't even know. He can insult me all he wants and I will respond in kind. Surely you can see that overt racism and bigotry is a whole different thing from just trading personal insults .... can't you?

Australia has different rules about what you can say regarding ethnic references (if they are true, I think the speaker has more latitude). You could have countered with some of the inaccuracies of his claims regarding the size of body parts, which might have had more impact with him.

Now you are sounding like an apologist trying anything to excuse his rants. My experience with Australians has revealed a certain directness and lack of sensitivity in the lower strata's of their society but I prefer to think that Taipan's views would not be tolerated amongst the better educated, well travelled Austsralians I have met. To suggest otherwise would probably insult them. BTW, I freely admit that my old country has a generous supply of similar degenerate trash. It's not just an Australian problem, we have them here too.

Free speech can be fine when it true and is not deliberately degrading to large segments of the population. Taipan's comments are contemptible and deserving of a harsh response. Presumably you would have defended Goebbels descriptions of the Jewish people, if not why not? Surely that was just free speech too.

Your suggestion that I should have engaged Taipan in a science based discussion about relative penis sizes is disappointing but you are entitled to that curious opinion. I do agree that discussions about genitalia would be more likely to resonate with him.

When I challenged him about his associate diploma he also claimed that it is considered to be the same as a degree in Australia. The problem with that argument was that the Australian educational institutes disagreed. I posted a copy of the various levels of qualifications available from his claimed institution and, in order of seniority from lowest to highest, they followed international standards starting with (1) Certificate, (2) Diploma, (3) Advanced Diploma, (4) Associate Degree, (5) Degree, etc., etc.,. It seems highly improbable to me that he genuinely thought his associate diploma was a degree but he does seem to be a bit stupid so perhaps you are right. A reasonable person should have been able to recognize that is is only a half step above a Certificate, otherwise why spend all the extra time, effort and money on a real degree?

He claims that he does have a real degree, if that is true I wonder how he would have reacted on graduation day if they had told him they were fresh out of degrees but they were going to give him an associate diploma instead and that should be ok because they are the same thing.

There's a lot of disagreement about which types of racial comments are racist or should be prosecuted or snuffed out electronically. So different people draw the line in different places. You are not a judge in the court of this land, but you can judge all you like. Being offended doesn't necessarily make him wrong and you right.

I remain convinced his latest outrageous statement that "Asians are from the shallow end of the gene pool" is very clearly racist and way over any generally accepted line. The fact that you apparently draw your line in a different place is very sad and bring your own sense of decency into serious question.

I understand that you live in a redneck area and perhaps that colours your view of the world. I sincerely hope your mind broadens and your empathy develops with time.

Meanwhile, if you don't like seeing your pal exposed and humiliated, you may prefer to ignore this thread.

[thirdlittlepig]

Actually I agree with much of what you said (sorry I'm too lazy to parse everything). There's just one point I can't ever agree on, that free speech is fine as long as it is true and not degrading to large parts of the population. Free speech is free, that is a right which should be unconstrained as long as it is a matter of truth OR opinion and sometimes even comedy.Free speech means the schizophrenic or just garden variety opinionated idiot is free to speak his mind without being censored. If it is inciting to or attempting to ,do actual harm to someone, even I draw the line, and I think that's about where our judicial system does also. To me there is not much difference between a personal insult or a racial slur, it's all equally odious, but we are in a (relatively) free and democratic society. I think less of people who make personal insults, and I think less of those who use racial insults. But I don't see your way of relating to Taipan any better than his way of relating to you.Bigotry is bigotry, there are not grades of better bigotry. Insults are all degrading to the user and inflammatory. And worse they do nothing to change the other's behavior. In fact as you can see they only make a situation worse and trigger worse behavior in the other, which is used for further grist for the mill. Do you think that all your put downs have helped Taipan (or yourself) behave or communicate any more responsably? Of course not. So what was the purpose except to confirm your bias, and his. Or attempt to inflame him to the point he says something which triggers him getting booted (but hopefully not yourself)?

[Geyser]

TLP wrote:

There's just one point I can't ever agree on, that free speech is fine as long as it is true and not degrading to large parts of the population. Free speech is free, that is a right which should be unconstrained as long as it is a matter of truth OR opinion and sometimes even comedy.Free speech means the schizophrenic or just garden variety opinionated idiot is free to speak his mind without being censored. If it is inciting to or attempting to ,do actual harm to someone, even I draw the line, and I think that's about where our judicial system does also.

That's not how the courts appear to interpret the Criminal Code:

Criminal Code of Canada

Sections 318, 319, and 320 of the Code forbid hate propaganda.

In Canada (Human Rights Commission) v. Taylor, [1990] 3 S.C.R. 892 at 902, the Supreme Court said hate propaganda denotes any expression that is "intended or likely to circulate extreme feelings of opprobrium and enmity against a racial or religious group".

Under that interpretation Taipan appears to qualify for charges but it is not my intent to promote charges or even suggest he be banned from this site, I merely intend to make sure his hate propaganda doesn't get a free ride. When garbage like that goes unopposed it can persuade lesser minds to think it is acceptable social comment. Very few opposed Goebbels observations about the Jews and we all know how that ended.

I think every decent minded person has a moral responsibility to voice their contempt for racist ramblings, even if they come from an inconsequential lightweight like Taipan.

I find it odd that you consider it appropriate to admonish me at length for criticizing his hate speech but levy no such criticism on him for his vile rants. This does seem to imply some sympathy for his loathsome views. I am curious to know if you thought his comment about "the shallow end of the gene pool" was a reasonable expression of fact or opinion, or did you just see it as a vile racist statement which we should tolerate in order to protect free speech?

Personally I see it as the latter but unworthy of protection under the umbrella of free speech. Having said that, I am quite happy to see the Human Rights Act provisions struck down and the responsibility for enforcement of our hate crimes being left to the courts where, in my view, they properly belong.

[Taipan]

I am curious to know if you thought his comment about "the shallow end of the gene pool" was a reasonable expression of fact or opinion, or did you just see it as a vile racist statement which we should tolerate in order to protect free speech?

Deceptive and out of context, with an intention to cause anger, resentment and perpetuate a troll flame war. Your purposely manipulating the details for your own amusement. Your the problem Geezer. Readers can look of his postings between my last post and now, and see what a cunning and deceptive manipulator he is.

Fact is fact. To describe the Tuskegee Airmen as being unable to control complicated machinery was racist. In fact their record was extraordinary and i met one of the last, in San Francisco last year. To describe African Americans as having larger penises on average isn’t racist. On the balance of averages it will in fact be correct. Asians..... well they are from the shallow end of the gene pool.

And for anybody who is unaware, genes determine everything about a human, including size, height, hair colour, skin colour, intelligence, sex, predisposition for illness, and yes whether particular races have larger or smaller sexual parts. Genes are sourced from each persons ancestors ensuring that on statistical averages, a normal distribution of intelligence is distributed world wide through all races. However it is widely acknowledged that some races of people are taller then others. Again it is a fact, and not racist. Do not be deceived about the difference between fact and racism. Geezer for his own nefarious reasons wants to lure readers into thinking it is all racist, which it isnt. His claims a patently false!