Geezer, Taipan disagreements posted here

[semven]

Taipan wrote:
Fact is fact. To describe the Tuskegee Airmen as being unable to control complicated machinery was racist. In fact their record was extraordinary and i met one of the last, in San Francisco last year. To describe African Americans as having larger penises on average isn’t racist. On the balance of averages it will in fact be correct. Asians..... well they are from the shallow end of the gene pool.

Taipan: Pleased to meet you
Tuskegee A/M: You too sir
Taipan: Did you know they have the largest Chinatown in the world here in San Francisco?
Tuskegee A/M : Didnt know that...
Taipan: Yup, taking over the place...Wangs on every block...Speaking of Wangs.. Congratulations on the size of yours.
Tuskegee A/M: What? Oh you must be here for the Pride Convention
Taipan: No, United Airlines has their maintenance base here and Im doing a photo shoot of their toilets tomorrow.
Tuskegee A/M: (motions to security) Have a nice day sir....

[Geyser]

Asians..... well they are from the shallow end of the gene pool.

Genetic theories underpinned many of the Nazi's policies, why am I not surprised that you also embrace that line of thinking?  Keep it up Snakey, your degeneracy knows no bounds.

BTW, although genes are extremely important and influence many aspects of our development, they most certainly do not "determine everything about a human", although I'm sure Himmler would agree with your take on it.

I'm sure you know that single-nucleotide polymorphisms have been shown to influence decision making to some degree, but are you aware that genetic factors play only a moderate role in general reading backwardness or specific reading retardation. So you see, you didn't necessarily inherit your problem with communications, you may have achieved it all on your own.

So, aside from Asians, who else do you consider to be genetically inferior?

[Geyser]

As Wyatt told me last night, “I see this moving towards a 40% drop in prices, perhaps even 50%. The smart money is getting out now, but well down the road we’ll be seeing a massive buying opportunity.”

(Taipan) Now who could have imagined that before it happened. Qalifications in real estate valuation would have tipped you off long before the realtors saw it unfold before them.

Yep, if we all had a mail-order associate diploma we all woudda knowed. But don't bother wasting your money on a full diploma or an associate degree or full degree - because they are all the same thing.

[thirdlittlepig]

I wouldn't know where to begin straightening out Taipan's confused thinking on race, genetics and how they relate to human differences. His degree isn't in genetics or even anthropology, so I guess that explains a lot. He hasn't read the memo about geneticists who can't seem to find much genetic difference consistently in the various races (once you look under the skin). By far most of the difference between various "races" is in their widely varied cultures (but most of the genes are pretty mixed up). Modern man isn't very different genetically from prehistoric man, but he sure has created a wide variety of culturally different people now. We've come a long way baby, but not genetically since those good ole days. Otherwise, as a good Greek friend of mine used to say , we'd all just be monkeys swinging in the trees!
Do we need to run around Prosecuting or muzzling all the confused ramblings of people who think genetics is very relevant? Has our society done such a terrible job of educating it's citizens that we are in danger of slipping into rampant Neo-nazism here in Canada? We are a wonderful conglommeration of so many cultures now, I don't think there's much chance of that type of thinking taking hold. Fear and hatred are not going to solve the problem of those who are still trying to categorize folks according to genetics. Education might eventually work, but that will take some time. (incidentally you can't educate someone while you are insulting them).
Look how many more mixed marriages, or parents adopting kids of different skin tones, schools with students of many different cultures there are nowadays. I think basic etiquette and rational discussion and tolerance by example is far more likely to help this all work than slinging insults like spaghetti on the wall, hoping some of it will stick. In a few more generations, populations will be so mixed, most folks will probably find it curious that it was ever a big deal. Will there still be a few Neanderthals who can't seem to get over it? Probably, but I think we can afford to treat them kindly or at least tolerate them. And flinging insults left right and centre only brings out the Neanderthal even in a modern man.

[eyesthebye]

I wouldn't know where to begin straightening out Taipan's confused thinking on race, genetics and how they relate to human differences. His degree isn't in genetics or even anthropology, so I guess that explains a lot. He hasn't read the memo about geneticists who can't seem to find much genetic difference consistently in the various races (once you look under the skin). By far most of the difference between various "races" is in their widely varied cultures (but most of the genes are pretty mixed up). Modern man isn't very different genetically from prehistoric man, but he sure has created a wide variety of culturally different people now. We've come a long way baby, but not genetically since those good ole days. Otherwise, as a good Greek friend of mine used to say , we'd all just be monkeys swinging in the trees!
Do we need to run around Prosecuting or muzzling all the confused ramblings of people who think genetics is very relevant? Has our society done such a terrible job of educating it's citizens that we are in danger of slipping into rampant Neo-nazism here in Canada? We are a wonderful conglommeration of so many cultures now, I don't think there's much chance of that type of thinking taking hold. Fear and hatred are not going to solve the problem of those who are still trying to categorize folks according to genetics. Education might eventually work, but that will take some time. (incidentally you can't educate someone while you are insulting them).
Look how many more mixed marriages, or parents adopting kids of different skin tones, schools with students of many different cultures there are nowadays. I think basic etiquette and rational discussion and tolerance by example is far more likely to help this all work than slinging insults like spaghetti on the wall, hoping some of it will stick. In a few more generations, populations will be so mixed, most folks will probably find it curious that it was ever a big deal. Will there still be a few Neanderthals who can't seem to get over it? Probably, but I think we can afford to treat them kindly or at least tolerate them. And flinging insults left right and centre only brings out the Neanderthal even in a modern man.

truth is, you can only make high correlation between race and characteristics due to the amount of influence from environment. But that doesn't mean there aren't specfic racial markers.
Are african-american better athletically due to their genetic physical advantage? If your answer is yes then you must also accept that there probably are variations with respect to intelligence (or, genetic markers you can't see).
Best protection against racism, and best protection for our species is racial diversity/cross-racial breeding. This will basically eliminate any racial disadvantage. I'm surprised that so many smart-mouthed posters haven't figured this one out yet.

[thirdlittlepig]

If genetics was the main reason blacks excell in certain sports, then they would excell in all sports. But look at golf, ballet, hockey, baseball, horsemanship. Are there fewer blacks excelling because they are physically inferior, or are social/economic cultural forces more at work?
A wolf chases a deer, and most of the time won't catch it successfully. Are his genetics faulty? No, the deer usually wins because the deer is running for his life, the wolf is only running for his dinner. And if wolves were perfect predators they would soon outstrip their food source.
Which breed of horse is superior, the very strong draft breeds, or the thouroughbred, or the arab. Depends what they are doing doesn't it? Is that genetics, partly, but the thourougbreds are largely founded on arabian stock, so the differences are still minor even after many generations of line breeding. Put those breeds in the deserts of arabia or the scottish highlands and see who does better.
People haven't been linebred nearly as much. Many were mixed up over the last tens of thousands of years. We all came out of africa, not just the africans. All populations suffered physical hardships, disease selection, solar selection, since then . So is black skin better because it shields blacks to some degree from burns and skin cancer, or is light skin better because it allows northerners to get at least a little vital Vitamin D? Are Australian rugby players genetically superior to Asians or blacks? Maybe if matched with average sized Asians or blacks. Maybe not if we pick potential Sumo wrestlers but train them in rugby instead. Or Slaves right off the boat. How about blacks of slave ancestry who have now been living on cheeseburgers Kentucky fried chicken for the last couple of generations? The Neanderthals died out (or were eliminated maybe even assimilated), were they physically inferior, or was it survival of the smartest?, or survival of the best immune system? Did you know there's a lot of genetic similarity between many East indians (what are they anyway, out of africa, caucasion, black, or asian, genetically) and many Europeans(where do you think their "white" genes came from if they were out of africa, or are they martians?)

[Geyser]

TLP, I agree with most of your last post, it's Taipan's insistence on applying common observed characteristics of a group to the entire group which bothers me most. It is particularly absurd to make those assumptions regarding cultural behaviour which can be so variable and can even change on an individual basis depending on environment.

Are african-american better athletically due to their genetic physical advantage? If your answer is yes then you must also accept that there probably are variations with respect to intelligence (or, genetic markers you can't see).
 This will basically eliminate any racial disadvantage. I'm surprised that so many smart-mouthed posters haven't figured this one out yet.

Wow! ETB, now I'm agreeing with some of your statements too!

I have no problem accepting the reality of different physical characteristics which coincide with the man-made invention of different "races". Of course it doesn't hold up very well when taunting unknown individuals from a particular "race" because each "race" has so much diversity within in it.  Just within the Caucasian race we have tall slim blond people and short fat dark-haired people, we have criminals and philanthropists, we have brilliant minds and we have Taipan, the variations are huge.

Perhaps it's time to pull out the South African skin-colour charts from the apartheid era. Do you recall how they sometimes divided children from the same parents into different "racial" categories? What utter nonsense.

Just amongst black African groups we see everything from the taller members of the Zulu tribes to the smallest of the pygmies and even white skinned albinos, diversity is everywhere. Of course, in Taipan's tiny mind, Africans are all large athletes with giant swinging genitals. No wonder he is so tormented by his giant sense of insecurity. Recognition of his relative deficiencies in that department must really upset him. (Oh dear, I hope I haven't just inspired him to open his gallery of penis pictures and post some of the larger white ones as his own.)

Besides his unhealthy preoccupation with other men's genitals, Taipan's vitriol focusses mainly on characteristics which are mostly driven by culture, something which is much more fluid and can easily change within an individual and is very likely to change massively across generations. Add to that the fact that individual adherence to culture is highly variable and certainly not a very reliable indicator of any given individual's behavior, particularly after they emigrate.

"Best protection against racism, and best protection for our species is racial diversity/cross-racial breeding."

Agreed. I have been working vigorously in this area for most of my adult life.

[Geyser]

TLP wrote:

In a few more generations, populations will be so mixed, most folks will probably find it curious that it was ever a big deal. Will there still be a few Neanderthals who can't seem to get over it? Probably, but I think we can afford to treat them kindly or at least tolerate them. And flinging insults left right and centre only brings out the Neanderthal even in a modern man.

Your sentiments are admirable but I am reluctant to wait a few more generations. I do believe that public censure helps to lessen the frequency of these racist taunts. I grew up in the UK and commonly saw people spitting in the streets, with the spread of TB the population became increasingly intolerant of this behaviour and within a decade or so the practice became the reserve of only the lowest of the low. When society at large can be relied upon to express disgust and revulsion at a particular type of behaviour only the real scum are likely to continue. My hostility to Taipan might not change his behaviour but at least it puts him and other like minded people on notice that such comments are not generally accepted in Canadian culture. If he wants to avoid being ostracized by his neighbours at Sun Peaks he should take note and moderate his opinions, at least when he is in civilized company.

Meanwhile I will continue to greet his obnoxious predjudices with the contempt they deserve.

[eyesthebye]

"Best protection against racism, and best protection for our species is racial diversity/cross-racial breeding."

Agreed. I have been working vigorously in this area for most of my adult life.

ditto

[Taipan]

I reject all of Geysers comments above for being deceitful, misleading, or misconstrueing obvious intention for his own petty amusement.

His intention by adding further racial slurs against me and adding my name was not to discuss the issue but to continue this flame war.

To bait me into replying so he could twist anything that I said into the opposite.

If I was to talk about colours, he would twist it into something totally different. Green into red, yellow into blue. Whatever I said he would twist to the opposite of my intention.

When Horton and Geezer were in full flight, they posted hundreds of posts which were anti canadian and anti caucasian.

Consistent comments on a BC Canadian real estate forum that mainland chinese would buy up all the real estate, force canadians out of university and make canadians into renters and wage slaves for the rest of their lives.

Without doubt, Geezer and Horton were everything they accuse me of, only the opposite, being anti canadian anti caucasian and pro mainland chinese.

Horton was banned, Geezer slunk away, and the racial attacks ceased immediately.

The forum then got back to discussing real estate.

Geezer returns and we are back into this bullshit.

Neither I nor this forum is the problem. Geezer by his actions is the problem.

[Simple]

I reject all of Geysers comments above for being deceitful, misleading, or misconstrueing obvious intention for his own petty amusement.

Enough already with your complaints.
I wish this time around will be you Taipan being banned. You are, one of the most manipulative persons in this forum. For four years I have tried successfully, to skip your comments. You are so stupid. And by the way I think you are mental sick and perhaps I am guessing a bit of ADHD. Deal with it.

[Geyser]

His intention by adding further racial slurs against me and adding my name was not to discuss the issue but to continue this flame war.

My intention was to discredit your odious racial comments. If you simply owned up to your racism and apologised to those innocents whom you have repeatedly denigrated you would see a dramatic change in my attitude. Please show me where I "added further racial slurs against" you.

When Horton and Geezer were in full flight, they posted hundreds of posts which were anti canadian and anti caucasian.

No, that is untrue. Please list all the racial slurs you think I have aimed at you, Caucasians (of which I'm one) or the Canadian people (of which I am also one).

Horton was banned, Geezer slunk away, and the racial attacks ceased immediately.

I can agree that when Horton was banned (for vulgarity) you did temporarily stop your anti-Asian ranting and you even cleaned up your language, presumably because you thought you might be next. The Horton postings which you incorrectly identified as anti-Canadian and pro-Chinese we're obvious satire aimed at baiting a rampant racist - you.

You repeatedly challenged me to reprint your racist rants and you began taunting that I didn't have them when I appeared reluctant to do so. Then when I printed them you were mortified and cried foul. Remember this recent taunt of yours?

"Taipan wrote:

How many times do I have to call your bluff and watch the egg flash all over your face! What are we up to now? A dozen times."

You are the one who incessantly links RE with race, remember these little gems:

Taipan on why Asian businessmen buy homes for their families on the West Side while they continue running their businesses in Asia:

"So a whole bunch of chinamen can dump first wife off with the kids and live jiggy jiggy with all the girlfirends and mistresses. Trouble is these little chinamen wouldnt have told the mrs."

 And here's Taipan on the Asian impact on the condo market:

"With little asian guys working themselves to death, to keep buying condo's for the wife, so he can get some sex. Sad little fuckers."

I know, I know, "out of context". So go ahead, explain what the context was that made those comments acceptable.

[Taipan]

Factual statements are not racist.

Do you deny that Chinese businessmen with families in Vancouver have mistresses in China?

Do you deny that because of the one child policy, Chinese women are now able to demand property from Chinese men?

And Unless you are wealthy enough to own property, your not going to get a wife, and most likely children!

Sex has been a stock in trade for the Chinese for several millennium. I’m sorry that your narrow little mind isn’t worldly enough to understand how the real world works.

You say you lived in Hong Kong and you didnt notice? How unobservant of you! You’re sure your Chinese wife didn’t tell you about that part of their culture?

Snakey, it was all over when you responded to the list of your racist rants with this unbelievable statement:

You do not see what i was responding to. The vast majority are not in fact racist, they are in reality factual!

I have repeatedly asked you to explain to us just exactly what you were responding to and you refuse. Instead you invent some nonsense about me railing against my home and chosen land. Even if that lie was true (which it most certainly isn't) you would still have to explain how it would be ok to respond to racism with more racism.

So where is the rest of it Geezer?

Your mate Horton was banned from this site for being a vile anti Canadian, anti-Caucasian pro mainland Chinese racist. You were his greatest supporter and you are also a nasty anti Canadian, anti-Caucasian pro mainland Chinese racist. But your motivation was Greed. Trying to scare people into buying.

So why didn’t you save the rest of it? Too embarrassed?

So we will revisit this rubbish. Everything is out of context. But lets see how many factual hits we get in this list. If there is a factual basis then it will be removed from the list!


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So a whole bunch of chinamen can dump first wife off with the kids and live jiggy jiggy with all the girlfirends and mistresses. Trouble is these little chinamen wouldnt have told the mrs. !

True or false? True.

China’s New Wealth Spurs a Market for Mistresses August 9, 2011
And
China: Can Education Curb a Mistress Epidemic? Wednesday, May 18, 2011

Throughout China's dynastic history, keeping mistresses was not only tolerated, but actually had the official seal of approval from the men at the top. The country's emperors maintained legendary harems of concubines, as did noblemen, wealthy merchants and anyone seeking to enhance their social status. Indeed, the country's most famous classic novel, Dream of the Red Chamber, relates the story of an imperial concubine in the Qing dynasty who supports her entire family, including its own numerous concubines, thanks to the emperor's patronage.
That historical context has perpetuated the notion that having a mistress equates to having status and power. Now, in today's status-hungry China, keeping a mistress is once again the fashionable thing to do. In some cities, an entire ecosystem has sprung up to support the ernai industry. A recent online exposé revealed an ernai agency in Shanghai that provided a menu of potential college-student mistresses for men willing to pay. The annual maintenance fees ranged from just $3,000 for students in less renowned schools to about $26,000 for students from the best campuses. [/url

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With little asian guys working themselves to death, to keep buying condo's for the wife, so he can get some sex. Sad little fuckers. !

True or false? True.

The china one child policy cause a massive mismatch between males and females. There are now 26,000,000 more males then females. That gives females significant choice and the ability to demand things. Including houses and condo’s. Consequently no house, no wife for millions of Chinese men.

China tries to stop women marrying for money, rather than love 21 Aug 2011

[i]In China's booming cities, prospective husbands are now routinely vetted about whether they own a house, and preferably also a car, before a match can be agreed. Tying the knot without a house as part of the deal is jokingly called a "naked marriage" and widely thought to be a risky choice.
"I would choose a luxury house over a boyfriend that always makes me happy without hesitation," said one 24-year-old contestant on If You Are the One, one of China's most popular television dating shows. "And my boyfriend has to have a monthly salary of 200,000 yuan (£18,900)," she demanded.
In a bid to temper the rising expectations of Chinese women, China's Supreme Court has now ruled that from now on, the person who buys the family home, or the parents who advance them the money, will get to keep it after divorce.
"Hopefully this will help educate younger people, especially younger women, to be more independent, and to think of marriage in the right way rather than worshipping money so much," said Hu Jiachu, a lawyer in Hunan province.
The ruling should also help relieve some of the burden on young Chinese men, many of whom fret about the difficulty of buying even a small apartment. China's huge property bubble has driven property prices in Shanghai up to £5,000 per square metre when annual salaries average just £6,000.
Brides-demand-a-groom-with-a-view "Women have an advantage when they choose men. They have more options," said Ms Wang. "That's why they are becoming more and more demanding."
There seems little doubt that the requirements of young Chinese women are changing. In a 2010 survey by the Chinese Association of Marriage and Family Studies, 70 per cent of women insisted their prospective husband must have an apartment

The preconditions of living 'happily-ever-after' February 14, 2012
A recent online poll found that nearly 70 percent of women surveyed "require that a man own a house before marriage," and "the possibility of adding her name to the property deed."
The survey was conducted by a social service association affiliated to the Ministry of Civil Affairs, and asked 50,384 women for their opinions.
Also in the survey, an overwhelming 92 percent considered a man's "stable income" as the basic precondition for her to enter a marriage. Specifically, nearly 80 percent of single women would only date men with monthly salaries of 4,000 yuan (US$635.4) or higher.
In addition, roughly 57 percent of women surveyed agree that "working hard is not as good as marrying well."

[Geyser]

You continue to confuse race with undesirable cultural traits. You just don't get it do you?

Do you deny that Chinese businessmen with families in Vancouver have mistresses in China?

If the "Chinese businessmen" are Canadians who own a business in Toronto, probably not.

Do you deny that because of the one child policy, Chinese women are now able to demand property from Chinese men?

In Vancouver? Yes, I deny it. However, I do note that "The Houswives of Vancouver" seem to have succeeded in that endevour, and they are mostly Caucasian. I also recall you posting that your house is in your wife's name. Hmmmm, isn't that interesting.

And Unless you are wealthy enough to own property, your not going to get a wife, and most likely children!

Are you talking from firsthand experience? That explains one mystery if you really have signed your house over to your wife.

Sex has been a stock in trade for the Chinese for several millennium. I’m sorry that your narrow little mind isn’t worldly enough to understand how the real world works. You say you lived in Hong Kong and you didnt notice? How unobservant of you! You’re sure your Chinese wife didn’t tell you about that part of their culture?

Sex has been stock in trade for the Caucasians for several millenium. I'm sorry that your narrow little mind isn't worldly enough to inderstand how the real world works. You say you lived in Sydney and you didn't notice, how unobservant of you! You’re sure your Australian wife didn’t tell you about that part of their culture? Hmmm, interesting.  Next time you're in Sydney ask her to show you around King's Cross, it'll blow your small town mind.

BTW, prostitution is legal in Sydney but not in China (including Hong Kong), I guess that's one of the nastier and sleazier aspects of your culture but don't feel too bad, most cultures have some unpleasant aspects. That fact is very good for you because it lets you feel self-righteous about your racism.

Also, you probably don't know but Asia is quite a big place and consists of more than China, what makes you think my Canadian wife's Asian ancestry is Chinese? FWIW, it mostly isn't, but don't let any facts get in the way of your preconceived predjudices.

[Geyser]

Oh, I forgot to ask you for your source of "facts" supporting your claim that "Asians are from the shallow end of the gene pool". I'm sure you can cite numerous scholarly studies published in respectable, peer reviewed science journals .... can't you?

Of course, if you can't, that just makes you another low-life racist doesn't it.